Advice Before Buying

macjim

Bronze Level Poster
Hi,

I’m looking for suggestions to replace my current PC, it's 4.5 yrs old from Mesh, It has developed an Event 41 Kernel Power issue.
It’s had this issue for 12 months, with random fails perhaps twice a week , painful but not too bad.

Currently it won’t stay up for more than 30 mins, I've always suspected it’s the power supply issue, but I recently found wafer in the case from the water cooler, water & electronics are never a good combination :( I expect the MB is probably damaged somewhere, all fixable but not worth the effort given the machines age or other hidden damage.


Current Spec
CPUi7-6700 Quad Core 3.4GHz
Mother BoardGIGABYTE GA-Z170X-Gaming 3
RAM16GB 2400MHz DDR4 Memory (2x8GB)
Graphics4GB NVIDIA GTX 970 Graphics Card
HDD2TB 3.5" Seagate Barracuda SATA x3
M2500/250GB M.2 SATA SSD - Samsung 850 EVO
Power Supply750W FSP Quiet Power Supply - Silver 80 PLUS
CoolerRaijintek Triton 240mm High Performance AIO
SoundCreative SB Z PCIe Gaming Sound 5.1Ch
OSWin 10 Professional - 64 Bit


My budget is £1800 depending on Spec, it can be stretched. Used mostly for gaming, FPS ( Crisis, Doom, Far Cry, Falllout, etc) , flight sim, and general surfing & streaming.

My previous PC have tended to be Intel/Nvidia based, I had a quick look at the a few CPU/GPU bench mark sites and compared them to my current spec.

I'm probably looking at a system built around an i7, RTX-2070 combination but, willing to trade CPU for GPU etc.

CPUi7-6700i7-9700Ki5-9600Ki9-9600KRyzen 5 3600Ryzen 7 3700X
Speed+28%+24%+29%+11%+14%
Av Score+44%+29%+44+23%+31%
GPUGTX-970RTX-2070RTX-2060GTX 1660SRX-590
Speed+104+63+34%+21%
Av Score+108+71+43%+14%

I’ve been looking at these type of components:


CPUIntel® Core™ i7 Eight Core Processor i7-9700K (3.6GHz) 12MB Cache
Mother BoardGigabyte Z390 UD: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
RAM32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2070 SUPER - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce
HDD2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM
M2500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe
CoolerCoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 High Performance Liquid Cooler

The other components e.g Blu Ray, etc would depend on case and/or budget.

Power supply, probably 550-750W.
My current displays are 24” 1080, I know the 2070 cards are 1440 but it will allow me to upgrade displays at a later date.

I currently have two M.2 Samsung 850 Evo SSD, 250 GB (OS) + 500 GB( Games), I’d like to reuse the 500 GB SSD on the new system. I’d probably drop the HDD and use one of my current 2TB Barracuda as main storage, I'd use the new 970 EVO as the OS board. I'm assuming 850/970 EVO would share he same board happily?

Thanks

Jim
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
If the cooling system is leaking it's possible it's overheating and shutting down. The kernel power 41 error is a symptom not a cause. It just tells you that Windows didn't shutdown properly.

If you fix the cooling problem there might still be life left in your existing PC? :)
 

SpyderTracks

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That's not the answer I wanted ;)

I'll probably try to fix my current PC, but sell it on.
Where did you get those performance numbers from? They’re not accurate, was it userbenchmark or cpu benchmark?

Just confirming as an AMD platform with nvidia GPU would give best futureproofing and no difference in performance.
 

macjim

Bronze Level Poster
I originally used:




I'd forgotten about CPU Benchmark site, yeah those numbers do look different :unsure:


CPUi7-6700i7-9700Ki5-9600Ki9-9900KRyzen 5 3600Ryzen 7 3700X
CPU Mark81011467610887189151779122709
Delta0.0%81.2%34.4%133.5%119.6%180.3%

The AMD do look more promising, thanks for the input - Time for a spread sheet and cost vs performance - beats working :)
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
I originally used:




I'd forgotten about CPU Benchmark site, yeah those numbers do look different :unsure:


CPUi7-6700i7-9700Ki5-9600Ki9-9900KRyzen 5 3600Ryzen 7 3700X
CPU Mark81011467610887189151779122709
Delta0.0%81.2%34.4%133.5%119.6%180.3%

The AMD do look more promising, thanks for the input - Time for a spread sheet and cost vs performance - beats working :)
Yeah, both userbenchmark and cpubenchmark are complete garbage results, they are intel shills and no one who understands components will ever use them. They base they’re scoring off completely irrelevant points attributed to certain factors which happen to heavily favour Intel, so much so that they amended their baseline scoring system as soon as AMD 300 series third party benchmarks were out that all showed intel being absolutely crushed. Avoid any comparison site at all costs, they’re ‘misleading’ but it’s more accurate to say outright lying.



Give me a second and I’ll draw up an AMD build that will blow yours (and intels) socks off!
 

macjim

Bronze Level Poster
Hi,

I manged to find time to hack a spec together :

I used the excellent guide - DESKTOP BUILDING GUIDE - APRIL 2020

I started from this:

Excellent High-Level 1440p & VR £1,457* - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/wdFkzwqCAD/

I tweaked the spec to get a faster Ryzen 7, swapped the HDD for 500 GB Samsung M2, Win 10 Pro

Now the only problem is that case only has room for 2x 3.5" drive - I currently have three.

These cases have 3 or more 3.5" bays:
PCS SR-620C MID TOWER CASE
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 200R COMPACT GAMING CASE
LIAN LI LANCOOL II GAMING CASE


I probably should just stick to 2 internal HDD, and clean up what I have.

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Eight Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.4GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2070 SUPER - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
NOT REQUIRED
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 240 High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 14 working days
Price: £1,681.00 including VAT and Delivery



Thoughts?
 

SpyderTracks

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My apologies, I meant to get back to this and got completely sidetracked.

Do you need windows pro? It's not like previous versions where it added loads of new features, it literally just adds domain tools for corporate networks.

If it were me, I'd up the cooler to the H100i Platinum.

When are you thinking of upgrading the monitors? There may be an argument for just fitting a 1080p GPU at the moment as we're right at the end of the nvidia 2000 series lifetime and the 3000 series are set to be a major jump in performance whilst being a lot cheaper. It's the biggest generational leap we've ever expected.
 

macjim

Bronze Level Poster
No problems, I've been tweaking the spec during conf calls.

Oh Good, more choices :)

I was trying to think why I need pro, it's just what I have currently - I'll think about.

Monitor change is probably 6 -12 months away, so it may be an option to save money on the cards currently - good input thanks.

What card would you recommend?
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
No problems, I've been tweaking the spec during conf calls.

Oh Good, more choices :)

I was trying to think why I need pro, it's just what I have currently - I'll think about.

Monitor change is probably 6 -12 months away, so it may be an option to save money on the cards currently - good input thanks.

What card would you recommend?
The 1660 Super would be perfect for 1080p 144hz.

Then I’d be expecting the RTX3060 will be the sweet spot for 1440p with almost everything else aimed at 144hz 4k and super ultrawide 1440 monitors. It’s going to be really exciting.
 

macjim

Bronze Level Poster
Hi,

Got there in the end, tweaked a few things, still humming & hawing about the Win Pro & Blu Ray player. I had thought I'd change to 650 W , as a 2070 card needs 530 W - 3000 series may require more, it's only a £30 saving. But ready to hit the button :)


One question, I did the same spec on the OC AMD range e.g.

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8 Core (3.9 GHz @ up to 4.4 GHz)

It came out £9 for expensive :unsure:


What clock speed would the std setup be?


Case
FRACTAL FOCUS G BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X Eight Core CPU (3.9GHz-4.5GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1660 SUPER - HDMI, DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
NOT REQUIRED
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW & SOFTWARE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 14 working days

Price: £1,540.00 including VAT and Delivery
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Ryzen doesn’t benefit from overclocking like intel does, it has an automatic overclock which is extremely efficient. Applying a manual overclock will actually reduce performance in most cases.

And seriously if you’re having to question if you need pro, then you don’t need it, you’re either having to join a domain or not.
 
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